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Tourism Promotion Using the World Wide Web

05/29/95: Comment from Daniel Connors/Circle Island Company (cic@lava.net)
Aloha!
Welcome in advance to all of you coming to Waikiki nextmonth. Circle Island Company maintains a Hawaii web site,"CIRCLE ISLAND HAWAII", http://www.lava.net:80/~cic. If wecan be of assistance to any of you on your way here or whilein Hawaii, please email or call. It's our pleasure toassist. Have a pleasant journey!
Daniel ConnorsCircle Island Companycic@lava.net(808)926-6068

04/28/95: Comment from Peter de Blanc (pdeblanc@usvi.net)
Greetings: I'm looking forward to your presentation, and the opportunity to exchange ideas. The U.S. Virgin Islands is just getting started in this field of endeavor. We have a FreeNet here since September 1984, and are looking to augment our tourist industry via e-mail from FreeNet users, one on one to potential tourists. Have a look at our (budding) web site at http://www.usvi.net/ I'll be presenting a paper at INET95 in the regional track. Hope to meet you there.


Common Ground: Community Networks as Catalysts

07/17/95: Comment from Irv Thomas (irvthom@u.washington.edu)
I just wanted to thank you for your paper and the excellent work you are doing, in the furtherance of a functional community usage of Internet resources. The problem is always, these days, one of sheer overload. Even as to this present information, I must skim through all of it, searching for what is relevant to me...and then deciding quickly (and space-consciously) how to best use it. With always the urgency to move on...on... I merely trust that the grist will offer up -- perhaps by sheer serendipity, as you note -- the useful jewels.
Being a senior online, myself (age 68), I would appreciate being in touch with those who are developing home-pages of their own, as that is my next project. Good luck to you all. ....Irv


Internet for Schools - the Singapore Experience

05/09/95: Comment from Dave Thomas (dave@mathfs.math.montana.edu)
Dear Mr. Tan,
I read your paper with great interest. I visitedSingapore in the autumn of 1985 and havemany warm memories of that trip. I expectSingapore to develop many innovativeuses of the Internet for its K-12 teachers andstudents. Best wishes,
Dave Thomas (my paper is in D6)


Artists on the Internet

06/28/95: Comment from Lile Elam (lile@art.net)
Lots of artists are also helping one another come up onthe Internet and the web. .One site that specializes in this is "Art on the Net" (http://www.art.net) which is a web server that is owned,run and supported by artists. Artists curate and maintaintheir own studio and gallery rooms there which is great as they are then able to present their own works. It adds awhole new dimension to their art..I am an artist and have been participating in art projects on the Internet since 1992 and it's been great. OTIS is a internet based artist group and we create art togetheron the Internet through collaborations and online, interactivesessions. (see http://sunsite.unc.edu/otis). .Artists are pushing the boundries of the web and technology.It's alot of fun. :) And I am glad that I am a artist andam part of it all..-lile.(a webmaster@art.net)


Publishing Models for Internet Commerce

07/17/95: Comment from Irv Thomas (irvthom@u.washington.edu)
Just wanted to thank you for your paper, as it is directly relevent to personal concerns. I have written and self-published (in a very small edition), and find no interest in the marketing community for my work, though it has received an excellent response from those who have had the chance to read it. My perception from this is that unless you either 1) 'belong to the club'...have a published track record or know some of the right people, or b) are willing to assume the frustrations of a first-timers search, in what amounts to a hall of mirrors, you may as well forget about being taken on by a trade publisher. Hence, I turn to the possibilities on the WWW, which I find are promising and immense. So your paper is of obvious significance to me.


Maintaining Link Consistency in Distributed Hyperwebs

05/23/95: Comment from Bryce Wilcox (bryce@gmg.com)
I really enjoyed reading your paper. I think thisalgorithm would have many uses in addition to its usefulnessin maintaining link consistency. I had a question which ledme to a proposed addition to the p-flood algorithm, and Ihope that you will take the time to enlighten me.
Why do you choose the ordering of reverse-domain name foryour circle of primary server-links instead of a moregeneric and possibly more efficient arrangement such aswould be produced by a greedy algorithm? That is: toconstruct your server-circle at first, you ask servernumber 1 who his favorite neighbor is (which other serverhe thinks he has the best connectivity with and you hope hehas good reasons for his decisions. He might value uptimein his neighbors as well as bandwidth.) Let's say he picksserver number 2. Then you ask server number 2 who hisfavorite neighbor is who is not server number 1, and hepicks server number 3. You ask server number 3 who hisfavorite neighbor is who is not server number 1 or servernumber 2, and so on. When adding new servers later, you can allow the newserver to pick his two favorite neighbors which arecurrently connected and then squeeze in between them. (Sorry for the gross anthropomorphism, but I think itcommunicates my idea...) It also seems like the algorithm could be improved byhaving a second circle, which could be generated by askingeach server to pick his 8th-favorite neighbor who is notalready on the second circle. When p=2.0, only those twocircles are followed, and when p> 2.0 then the random shotscome into play. (I base this idea on intuition, and on the principle thata single level of redundancy is a whole lot better than noneat all. Perhaps you have done quantitative research whichwould prove or disprove this idea.)
Thanks for your interesting paper!
Bryce Wilcox

05/04/95: Comment from Dr. Leon James (leon@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu)
I wonder if your approach can solve a maintenance problem forvirtual superdocuments in generational cybercommunities.Members interlink each other's reports with two-way links,so it makes a web that can be used as an index of socialcommunicative acts in cyberspace. Please take a look at mypaper at this conference (it's no.205, also listed underauthors) and let me know if your algorithmic approach (whichI confess I do not understand) might be applied to this typeof situation -- which I predict will become an importantactivity in the future.


Surf's Up! Hawaii Attempts to Develop an Information Industry and Statewide Internetwork But Doesn't Always Catch the Right Wave

06/28/95: Comment from Richard Borreca (rborreca@pixi.com)
Steve, This is a great summary!


Construct Computerized Campus to Lay the NII Foundation

05/09/95: Comment from Dave Thomas (dave@mathfs.math.montana.edu)
Interesting paper. I was an invited speaker at the 7th Conferenceon Computer-Assisted Instruction, Taipei, May 27, 1993. I also gave a lecture at Tainan National University. I would like to renew my contacts there via email. Do you know when they willget Internet access or if it is available now? Thanks.My paper is found in section D6.
Reply:(by 097)Dear Dave Thomas, I'm sorry for reply late.
I can't find the 'Tainan National University' in Taiwan.Maybe what you indicate is National Cheng Kung Universitywhich is the only one University in Tainan.
National Cheng Kung University has been connect to Internet via TANet since five years ago. And is one of Reginal Network Centers of TANet.
You can e-mail to srtsai@cs.ncku.edu.tw for furtherInformation.
Hope this help!
Yu-Hsuan Chen(also Erin Chen)


Censorship and the Internet: A Singapore Perspective

06/30/95: Comment from Olivia (sbaot@technet.sg)
The talk was refreshing in its self-deprecation. However, a few points of contention:1) Singnet has not crippled its UNIX shell account as a check with the sysadmins will reveal.2) The inter-ministerial committee has not decided on specific actions or regulations towards Internet. It is still examining the viability of different technological methods with regards to economic, social and informational cost. This is the job of the Technical Working Group which is tasked to review and study these methods and their possible implications.The basic policy standpoint is to maintain Singapore's moral values -- that undesirable materials would not be accessed by minors, particularly with the imminent wiring of all schools in Singapore. In content censorship, I am afraid that the US is one-up on Singapore in the actualisation of its Decency Bill.


Digital Cash and Monetary Freedom

07/27/95: Comment from Linas Vepstas (linas@teleportal.com)
> From linas@teleportal.com Thu Jul 27 23:40:36 1995> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:40:36 -0500> From: Linas Vepstas < linas@teleportal.com> > To: bonkydog@sirius.com, digitaliberty@phantom.com, think1st@netcom.com> Subject: Re: Money> Cc: linas@teleportal.com> > > > > Does anybody anybody have a good general> > list of where to go on the Net to learn> > more about the technical specifics and> > implementation possibilities of e-cash?> > I thought I saw something at WEPIN, but> > is there anything else?> > Hmmm. > 1) Digital Liberty should be maintaining such a list on its web pages.> > 2) Understanding cyber-money starts with a good understandning of > security, privacy, authentication and anonimity in general.> One reference I have for that is > http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/www-security/index.html> and > http://www.yahoo.com/Computers/Security_and_Encryption/> and especially> http://www.yahoo.com/Business/Electronic_Commerce/Digital_Money/> > Surfing around the security lists, you will find pointers> to the banking technologies, such as ecash.> > 3) The seminal works on anonymous e-cash seem to be a set of papers> from AT&T, about 3-4 years ago. I can't find the reference to > these, although I've got them on paper ... highly mathematical,> highly abstract. These are PhD's doing reserach.> > 4) Someone said something about "back room deals". I don't know> how many hackers are out on this mailing list .. but ..> One way of doing an end-run around the back room deals is to > code up some of this technology, and put it in the public domain, > for instance, as part of Linux. Several problems with this:> > a) Finding a socialist coder willing to work this. Maybe a genius > 20-year old college student with time on thier hands? Most> seasoned hackers who would know how to code this will also> figure that they can make a buck, and start thier own corporation,> and keep the technology private.> > b) Say we have the public-domain software. You still have to line > up TRW, or a bank, that you talk to. Will take time, but could> work if the software is public domain -- i.e. lots of people are> motiviated to cut these deals.> > c) Public domain transaction code would be excellent for small cyber > start-ups. It won't benefit the mainstream, non-tech Windows user.> > d) I represent a (tiny) company that would be interested in participating> in such an effort. I (we?) would be willing to co-develop such> software, as well as the business/banking angles to go with it,> provided that there are four or more other participants. Less than > that, and the temptation to not share the code is overwhelming.> Like, where's my sweat-equity?> > 5) Frickin RSA. They hold all the U.S. Patents on public-key encryption, > and they want big bucks for this. You have to deal with them, like> it or not, and they are not freindly.> > 6) U.S. Munitions Export laws. Putting electronic cash transaction code> on the net, in the public domain, would probably be a violation of> U.S export trade laws. It could land you in jail, and would with 99% > probability saddle you with a nasty you vs. the feds court case.> > If you think I'm joking, then you are seriously out of touch. Take> a look at PGP and Phil Zimmerman. And feel free to donate to the > Phil Zimmerman legal defense fund. > > Still think I'm joking? How about these notes from the NCSA > development team:> http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/docs/Upgrade.html> > Removed PEM/PGP hooks so as to comply with ITAR (International Trade in Arms> Regulations), at the recommendation of the NSA (these hooks will be available on an> export-controlled ftp server, to be set up soon) > > The NSA wrote a letter to Univeristy of Illinois. Basically, even adding> simple, no brainer hooks to your code that would enable this technology> will get you in hot water.> > Ummmmm, I think I withdraw my co-development offer in 4d) above until> we figure out a way of doing electronic cash without landing in jail.> > (Bill Gates is not going to jail, because neither he, nor Intuit, > is planning to put financial transaction code on the net, free, > for all to use. He will export it only under the watchful eyes > of the NSA. See how your government protects the big corps, and > screws the little guy?)> > That said, welcome to the merry world of electronic commerce!> > Or should I say, > "Workers of the world, unite, for you have nothing to loose but your chains!"> > --linas> Linas Vepstas> > P.S. I'm a newcomer to this list. What the heck is neo-tech? > Or is this a bad question to ask?> >

06/14/95: Comment from Gino Smecca (gino.smecca@nt.com)
How can I get the full article?

06/03/95: Comment from John du Pre Gauntt (ag112120@dircon.co.uk)
I would like to read more than just the abstract Is there a way to download the entire article? I'll pay with e-cash :-)


Pricing the Internet : A Model and a Practical Implementation.

06/26/95: Comment from Mike Girard (mjg@atlantic.net)
I'm interested in finding out if the Chilean Companyis facing competition. In addition, how does the model hold inmoderate competition.(how competitive is the model?)


Data Exchange and Telecollaboration -- Technology in Support of New Models of Education

05/05/95: Comment from Dr. Leon James (leon@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu)
Though your focus is not exactly the same as mine, we do sharecertain interests, namely, how to manage data collection bya virtual learning community. I'd be interested in yourevaluation of my experiment in paper 205 (section D7) (sameas yours, I believe). Though I have not achieved this sofar, my goal is to create a Generational Superdocument thatis used and created by students, semester after semester. Itcould be a model for all sorts of cybercommunities. The dataI deal with consists of "self-witnessing" reports on varioustopics such as health behaviors, traffic psychology, etc. Letme know if you see a connection with your work!


Jordan's National Information System

07/23/95: Comment from khaled karazoun (kkarazou@metronet.com)
I'm very proud of the effort that NIS is putting and wish them all the best with there work and may allh bless there work to the best!!!


Network Skills in a Networked Information World: The Latest Tips and Tools

07/17/95: Comment from Irv Thomas (irvthom@u.washington.edu)
I am absolutely disappointed not to find the full text of this presentation available, when so many others are here. Can you possibly send me the material?

06/07/95: Comment from dick ellsworth (dell@u.washington.edu)
Why isn't the full text of the paper available? The abstract is hopelessly general.


Analyzing Linkage Structure in a Course-Integrated Virtual Learning Community on the World Wide Web

05/04/95: Comment from Leon James (leon@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu)
You are welcome to visit the students' home pages at this URL:http://www.soc.hawaii.edu/con/leonpsy/leon.htl. You will alsofind articles relating to this experiment.


Networking Efforts in the Maghreb Region

06/22/95: Comment from Michael Ivy (cityhall@mimesys.iunet.it)
I am pleasantly surprised to see that Algeria is connected to the Internet. I would like to be able to correspond with people there, especially in my former home town, Annaba.Kind regards from Michael Ivy.

06/17/95: Comment from ali bougouba (none yet)
sounds like a wonderful idea . maybe we will move out of the abyss. ali bougouba

06/02/95: Comment from Djanina Chaba (DjaninaX_Chaba@ccm.hf.intel.com)
I'm 22. My parents are coming from Algeria (Ksar-el-Boukhari/Medea).I'm borned in France and had very few contacts with my all familyliving on the other side of the see. But still, I always felthow the young people there really enjoy studies and a lot of my cousins (girls most part of the time) studied very technical things at very high levels.Network would be such a great thing for those people you would like to communicate with the world and to share in an intelligent way their experiencesand know-how. Internet would give the students in Maghreb the opportunity to open doors and show that they belong to the world and the worldwide knowledges too.As for Algerians, Internet would let the students keep on studying and would give them back the right to express themselves (sometimes it's there even impossible to get a phone connection) and the right to inform themselves. Internet it's the way that the intelligent people have to use to fight against ignorance, intolerance and fanatism.I would like to support the Networking Efforts in the Maghreb, but I don't know what to do. I'm living in Munich (Germany) and working at Intel. The only thing I could do it's to get somecontacts, informations...In the name of my family in Algeria and my all friends allround Maghreb, thank you.Kind regards. Djanina Chaba


Building A French Virtual Community On Internet: The Example of Frognet

06/27/95: Comment from chantal Greffe (chgreffe@grenet.fr)
L'annonce de votre communication est passe dans planete Internetje vous fait envoye un exemplaire cordialement
c.greffe

05/03/95: Comment from Mannoni (mannoni@culture.fr)
Tr%E8s bon ton papier, Bruno.


Measured Interference of Security Mechanisms with Network Performance

05/24/95: Comment from Klaus Weide (kweide@rainbow.uchicago.edu)
This is not a comment about the paper itself... The URL:http://inet.nttam.com/inet95/proceedings/PAPER/215/abst.html contains an abstract that has nothing (or very little...) to do with this paper. This should be corrected, probably by the maintainers of the WWW site.


Creating Global Learning Communities: I*EARN's Action-Based Projects

05/09/95: Comment from Dr. Leon James (leon@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu)
I totally agree with what you say:"have the potential for creating and sustaining the kinds oflearning communities that will teach students to confrontthe social, cultural, economic and ecological challengesahead."
The key is to create authentic learning environments.I will read your entire paper!
Look at mine too (in the conference, No.205) or look atit at my Home Page:http://www.soc.hawaii.edu/con/leonpsy/leon.html


Energy Utilities in the Internet and NII: Users or Providers?

07/25/95: Comment from Donald M. Austin (austin@hpcc.gov)
Bob, JC, and Mary Ann: Is this the same paper that we got for the CICForum? We are thinking of putting the Forum on the Web forcomments, and the INET 95 conference looks like the way to doit. Any thoughts about problems with duplicate papers, etc.will be appreciated. Nice paper, by the way. Is anybody else giving serious thoughtsto "last mile" connectivity being provides by the utilitycompanies? All I ever hear about are Telcos and cable.


Hospital Information System and the Internet

06/15/95: Comment from Kashiwagi Miyo (kasiwagi@hcc.h.u-tokyo.ac.jp)
yattane, ohe sense !!kakikomi ga dekiru nante benri deiidesune.
zehi rengo-taikai demo yarimasyou.


GII and its Relationship to the Internet (Panel)

06/29/95: Comment from Olivia Tay (sbaot@technet.sg)
As a regulator, I am particularly interested in the policy/regulatory issues which were glossed over in favour of the hardware problems facing the GII. Also, on the issue of funding, although it seems cost-effective to build upon existing projects and initiatives by the commercial, independent companies, the "pulling" together of the NIIs would still require some funding. How is the G7 splitting the costs and how is this being extended to other nations outside the G7 sphere?

06/12/95: Comment from Adam Peake (ajp@glocom.ac.jp)
Dr. Kumon has written a number of articles about the GII, people considering joining this session might like to see:
Japanese Perspective on the Significance of the Information Revolution (address to the US-Japan telecommunications roundtable, Washington, November 21- 22, 1994)
http://www.glocom.ac.jp/Publications/Kumon/GII2.html
and
The GII Initiative: Its Significance and the Challenges for Japan
http://www.glocom.ac.jp/WhatsNew/Kumon-GII.html
Other papers that might be of interest:
Japan's Internet Year Oneftp://ftp.glocom.ac.jp//pub/GLOCOM/research/Kumon/Kumonpaper/950401.txt
A Multicultural Look at Multimedia (Educom Review)ftp://ftp.glocom.ac.jp/pub/GLOCOM/research/Kumon/Kumonpaper/950103-1.txt
Informatization and Internationalizationftp://ftp.glocom.ac.jp/pub/GLOCOM/research/Kumon/Kumonpaper/i&i.txt
Interview (describes The Cenetr for Glbal Communications, Kumon is Director)ftp://ftp.glocom.ac.jp/pub/GLOCOM/research/Kumon/Kumonpaper/940905.txt


Internet Privacy Guideline (Panel)

06/22/95: Comment from Marc Rotenberg (rotenberg@epic.org)
Welcome to the the discussion of international privacyguidelines. The Electronic Privacy Information Center(EPIC) has set up a URL with pointers and links toimportant documents on international privacy protection. (http://epic.org/privacy/intl/).
Please send comments and suggestions. What privacymaterials would you like to see on-line?



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